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Banking Without Borders
How To Invest For Beginners (Simple Strategies That Work)
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Getting started with investing can feel intimidating, but the truth is, it’s never been easier, and you don’t need to be a financial expert to grow your money.
In this episode, we break down the essentials of investing for beginners:
- What the stock market actually is (and why it matters)
- The main products you’ll come across, stocks, ETFs, index funds, bonds, and more
- The best apps and platforms for getting started
- Simple strategies like dollar-cost averaging and dividend investing
- Common mistakes to avoid as a beginner
By the end, you’ll have a clear roadmap to start investing with confidence.
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Okay.
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Welcome back to another episode of Banking
Without Borders.
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Today we're going to dive into investing
for beginners.
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And the truth is
it has never been easier to start
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because to be a successful investor
you don't really need to know that much.
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Kind of like being a great pilot.
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They don't necessarily know
how to build planes or jet engines,
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but that doesn't stop them
from flying planes.
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investing kind of works the same.
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don't have to be a financial genius
or spend hours
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studying charts and company reports,
because there are products that
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we'll talk about in this episode,
like index funds and ETFs that make it
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possible to build wealth steadily
over time without overcomplicating things.
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So in this episode, we'll
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explain what the stock market actually is
and the main products you'll come across.
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And we'll cover brokerage accounts
and which apps or platforms to consider.
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And we'll also dive into some strategies
like dollar cost averaging and dividend
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investing.
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But first, Yann, could you please tell me
what on earth is going on
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when I buy shares in the company?
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Yeah. Well, Johnny, thanks for the intro.
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Essentially,
the stock market is a marketplace where
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where people come, to
to buy into ownership in companies.
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So when a company wants to raise money
in order to grow and or in order to
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to to expand,
it can sell pieces of itself to investors.
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These pieces are called shares or stocks.
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And when you are
when you're buying a share,
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you're essentially
becoming a part owner of that company.
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And if that company grows in value,
your shares also become worth more.
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some companies, they additionally share
their profits through dividends,
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which are essentially cash payments
that are distributed to to shareholders.
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So if they de to earn a large profit
this year.
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Right.
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They would probably go ahead and say,
you know what,
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we want to reinvest half of it.
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And the other half we,
we distribute to our shareholders.
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And those, those dividends can either be
be taken as income.
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Right.
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Or you can pay them out,
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buy your groceries with them,
or you reinvest them to buy more shares.
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Essentially.
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key idea here is you're not just
trading numbers on a screen,
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but you're buying essentially
into real businesses that make products,
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employ people and also generate profits.
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And you share their success over time.
Okay.
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There's quite a sentimental approach
to investing, isn't it, Jan?
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To think that you're
not just the number on the screen,
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but you're really investing
into a company.
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I quite like that.
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When I first started investing, I had.
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The first company I ever bought
was Shopify.
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I had an e-commerce company myself
using the platform,
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and I felt like
I really wanted to invest in that
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because I thought it was really good.
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Do you think that sentimental approach
is what people should have
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when it comes to investing?
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They should look for companies
that they like the look of Yeah.
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It's probably not the best idea, to be
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What to be sentimental.
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Yeah. No, no. Probably not.
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So I would not go ahead and purchase,
purchase shares of companies that I,
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I feel attached to or like the brand or
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And when it comes to investing your money,
you know,
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equities are one piece of the pie
or stocks and shares.
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But there are other market products
such as ETFs.
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Yeah.
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And in some cases ETFs
they're not that expensive either.
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Yeah.
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when you look at the overview of an ETF,
you'll get like a sheet where you can see,
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you know, where where that ETF invests
its, performance over time,
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how diversified it
is, what the risk level is like.
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There'll also be something
known as an expense ratio.
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And this will indicate
how much it will cost to use the ETF.
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And in some cases with Vanguard, that
expense ratio could be as low as 0.03%.
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if you were to invest $1,000 into that
ETF, it would only cost you $0.03.
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So the expense ratio is actually
a really important thing
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to look at when selecting your ETF.
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There are a couple of other products,
right? Yeah.
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We could
we could discuss I mean, I feel like
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equities are stocks and shares an ETF
to the fundamentals of investing.
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But there are also commodities like gold
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oil, agricultural products as well
that you could invest in.
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You know, just investing in a single
commodity has a lot of risk.
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It's like investing in the single equity.
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It's you know, it's not that diversified.
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And you can get ETFs that have commodities
that will have a mixture of things
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like commodities and equities
and that will be more diversified.
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But of course, if you wanted to
you could invest solely in commodities.
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commodities are typically a hedge
against inflation.
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So during inflationary periods,
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people like to invest in commodities
because they're a lot more secure.
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And as we've seen over the past
couple of years,
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gold has really increased in value.
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And then there are bonds.
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Yan, could you explain a
little bit more about bonds?
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Yeah.
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I don't know, like 900
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I have, roughly 50,000 invested
in government backed bonds at the moment.
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And I think the return is at the moment
3.73%.
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So it's not
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hugely significant, brings in around
250 pounds every month at the moment,
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although that did recently drop
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as a result of the Bank of England
reducing the base rate.
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that is currently with a brokerage
platform
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called trading 212,
who we've talked about before
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What about trading strategies? Yan.
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we briefly talked obviously
about the power of ETFs
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and the predictability
in some degree with ETFs
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because we know over time they have data
that shows historical averages
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what about actually going ahead
and making purchases and buying equities.
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Are there strategies that we can implement
to have the best possible outcome?
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had a many different strategies, Jonny.
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And if you would cover all of them,
this episode would be very, very long.
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So, I would say
let's focus on four popular ones.
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Some that we can also recommend.
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There's the dollar cost
averaging strategy.
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That means you're investing essentially
a fixed amount of money every, every month
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or other regular intervals, regardless
of whether the market is going up or down.
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And over time,
what this does is it smooths out your,
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Yeah.
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very cheap or when you, when you think
you are identifying a certain trend, and,
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that's something that even professionals
get wrong typically.
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And this is dollar cost
averaging strategy.
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It's simple.
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It's disciplined and works
really well over time.
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If you want to want to build some Agreed
agreed agreed.
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I did that process with
and I had quite a lot of success recently,
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recently with Pantera
having started buying politics in 2020.
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Although the cost of paint has increased.
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So I don't have a dollar cost average
where I think, okay,
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every month I'm going to buy, say,
five, ten, 50 shares.
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It's about how much money
I can afford to spend.
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And so as the price has gone up,
I only buy 1 or 2 shares.
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But over time I still have.
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You know, even though the share price is,
I think, $171 today,
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I still have a dollar cost averaging of,
I think roughly $25.
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So that's worked out extremely
well for me.
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And I've just remained disciplined
regardless of the market,
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because I look upon here as a long term
buy I guess that's also a strategy, right?
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People just buy and hold, So, a bit
of a classical approach, in my opinion.
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What you do is essentially,
you pick one investment,
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you hold it over years or even decades
and let it grow.
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It is avoids trading fees
because you're just buying ones.
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You're not buying, buying, you know,
regular intervals reduces stress.
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And also keeps you focus on these,
these long term gains rather Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The biggest thing with something like
that is people, if you're watching this
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and you can do buying hold is don't check
your brokerage account every single day.
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You can't get into the habit of doing
that.
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stock market is so unpredictable and
volatile that you'll see ups and downs.
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And in some cases you may go down 510%.
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But then within
like if you're really into holding within
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like 2 to 5 years,
you could be up 100, 200%.
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So you just have to be super patient
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and you can't let your brokerage account
impact your mood, how you're feeling.
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I think it was Jeff Bezos that said
that to people who were in Amazon.
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Like,
if we let, share price impact our mood
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every time it goes up
10% with temps and happier.
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But then when it goes down
10%, you're going to be 10% sadder.
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You can't let that happen.
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That every day.
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Oh no no no no no no no I'm joking.
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Yeah yeah.
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Look I'm joking. No no I'm joking.
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I've got a couple of brokerage accounts
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I it would take too much time
to go in between every single one.
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But I do, I do check the stock market
pretty much every single day
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I have trading view.
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There's a great website
called Trading view.com.
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I have a premium account with that.
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And I basically just try and I have
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my favorites, my watchlist,
which will have all of the different ETFs.
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So the equities I'm invested in.
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So I am aware of what's happening
from day to day.
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The total value of my portfolio
I don't know.
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Exactly.
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But yeah, I am keeping an eye on it
pretty much every day.
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But but I've got a lot of equities.
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So I, I'm trying to keep an eye on
not day trading,
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but I'm trying to keep an eye
on the performance of certain, businesses.
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Particularly right now, I'm invested
in companies that are heavy into heavily
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into artificial intelligence companies
that are building data centers.
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And things are changing every single day.
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So have to keep a bit of an eye on it.
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But even though I'm doing that,
I'm not letting it impact how I'm feeling.
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Okay.
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I'm making
sure that that doesn't impact my mood
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just to go back to different investment
strategies, dividend investing.
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This is when you buy companies
that will pay dividends.
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And this can actually be
a really good approach.
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It will probably require a large
sum of money invested,
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which will take time
unless you can do that initially
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because you know
you're getting paid per share.
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And if you don't hold
a large amount of shares,
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you're not going to see a large amount
of money return in dividends.
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But there are some good places to look.
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There's a website called dividend max.com,
which will show you
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the best companies to invest in,
which ones pay the most,
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can you just explain core satellite
investing to me?
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Million.
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course
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investing is probably a strategy that,
that you're, personally following, right?
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If I understood, so do you experience
Essentially what happens
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is that your core portfolio is made up of,
stable, diversified assets.
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For example, ETFs, also certain certain
quality stocks that you picked and around
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that, you had satellite investments,
smaller,
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more targeted
bets on, individual stocks or sectors,
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like artificial intelligence,
that you personally believe in.
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Yeah,
it shows a steady return over time. Right.
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Because most of your portfolio
is diversified and stable.
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But it also lets you
participate in these, these trendy topics
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a little bit, which might keep your,
your motivation up over time.
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Yeah.
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I didn't realize that I was doing
a core satellite approach.
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Or I just thought
it was like being being diversified,
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which essentially it is, that,
that is the approach that I've taken.
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Young we haven't really spoken
about your approach.
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What is your portfolio look like?
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Yeah.
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Cool, cool.
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I guess that's probably
a good common mistake to avoid, then.
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But you probably said a few,
but at least frequently.
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Looking at your brokerage account from day
to day is definitely a common mistake
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to probably try to avoid.
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what other common mistakes do we have?
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Yeah. And?
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Also being emotionally attached
to, to the money
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that you invest, that something
that could cost us over trading, right.
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If you really need the money and then,
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the stock is going down and you know
exactly that in in a few months,
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you want to purchase something,
and you need the money for that.
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Yeah.
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you if you're investing money
that you fear that you might need
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later on, investing in equities
is probably the worst place to put it.
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if I was a financial advisor,
I would advise
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I would not advise
people invest their money
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if they think they might need it
later on in the short term. But.
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Possibly ETFs would be a better place.
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Or bonds, for example.
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Ahead.
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Okay.
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your money.
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Again. what about fees and costs? Yeah.
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Because when you make a play in the short
term, you look at it, you buy your stock
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or you buy your ETF, you are immediately
in the red as a result of fees.
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Yeah. You're right.
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And even free platforms
that often charge, a currency conversion
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fee, or they do use an exchange rate
that's not favorable.
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And over the years, over the years,
these two add up.
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So, be mindful that they exist.
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if we are to wrap up today's episode.
Yeah.
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And can we just
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end up with some really sort of key
takeaways to help people just get started?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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if you have disposable income available
to start investing,
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I think having a nice, broad, diversified
portfolio with possibly some ETFs
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and some and some equities or some stocks
and shares is the best approach.
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But really buying equities,
buying into a company don't
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just buy in based on the news or Reddit
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or the next big hype train.
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Have a have a look under the hood.
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You don't need to get deep into it,
but have a look.
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Does this company sell products
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that perhaps you think
are going to be beneficial to society?
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Does this company have a positive
balance sheet?
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Are they profitable?
just do a little bit of research.
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You shouldn't take too much time
and just consider
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using that disposable
income that you have $2 cost average.
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So just buy a small amount
each month over time.
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And then as time goes by,
if you start to earn more money,
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you have more disposable income.
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You can increase that
dollar cost averaging.
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then there's the platform
that you decide to use. Right.
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This is really important
that you look at the platform
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you're going to be using,
that it fits your needs,
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is it something that you feel like
comfortable using?
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I had a lot of difficulty
with the Interactive Brokers.
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Yeah, I know you didn't.
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You actually use Interactive Brokers, but
instead I like to use trading to and to.
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I think maybe because my brain
isn't as powerful as yours,
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I couldn't get my head around
Interactive Brokers,
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but trading two and two is a bit
more simplified for someone like me.
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I found it quite easy.
I at least I find it quite easy.
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And Interactive
Brokers I mean if you're someone that's
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going to be purchasing a lot of stocks
and shares in US dollars,
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perhaps you're buying American equities
and you're not from the states.
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So you're going to have to make
a currency exchange.
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Then interactive Brokers can be very good
because they have fantastic
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effects rates. practically the mid market.
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I don't want to get into the weeds here,
but they're just a really good brokerage
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for fees.
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if you're watching this now
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and you're already buying shares,
you're already doing this.
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Some of the stuff
we're talking about today
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and you're not using some of the brokerage
apps that we talked about.
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So Revolut Trade Republic trading to
and to Interactive Brokers,
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then please do share
the apps platforms that you're using.
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I'd love to hear from you and find out
about the platforms that you're using.
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Maybe Yan and I can try them out ourselves
or anyone reading the comments, watching
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this video, listening to this episode
so let us know if you have any questions.
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